Obama's "Faith Wrestling" When it Comes to LGBT Rights
Published July 07, 2009 @ 12:25PM PT

Well, count me puzzled here. President Barack Obama, traveling through Russia, Europe and Africa this week, gave a briefing to members of Catholic media in advance of his upcoming meeting with Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican. In many ways, Catholic media tends to be a heck of a lot closer to the National Review than to The Nation, so it was fairly bold for Obama (seen by many Catholic leaders as someone who contradicts conservative Catholic teachings) to meet with this pool of reporters.
But....
Well, there's always a but when it comes to Obama and LGBT rights, isn't there.
Among the subjects touched on during the rendezvous with the Catholic reporters was the subject of LGBT rights. Here's Obama's comment:
For the gay and lesbian community in this country, I think it's clear that they feel victimized in fairly powerful ways and they're often hurt by not just certain teachings of the Catholic Church, but the Christian faith generally. And as a Christian, I'm constantly wrestling with my faith and my solicitude and regard and concern for gays and lesbians.
Now, there's some juiciness in that statement that is certainly worth celebrating. The fact that Obama said that certain teachings of the Catholic Church hurt LGBT people is remarkable...and something you would never have expected from the myriad of Presidents before him.
But then the triangulation occurs, with Obama throwing conservative religious folks a bone with the line, "As a Christian, I'm constantly wrestling with my faith and my solicitude and regard and concern for gays and lesbians." What type of wrestling are we talking about here, Mr. President?
Because, as far as your religion goes, there shouldn't be that much wrestling. You're a member of the United Church of Christ, a denomination that supports the full inclusion of LGBT people in both the church and society. According to the United Church of Christ's Web site:
For more than 30 years the national setting of the UCC has been on a clear course of welcome and inclusion, calling for serious study of human sexuality, [and] supporting the civil rights of LGBT persons...
Is there something wrong with saying those very lines to members of the Catholic press?
It's a great thing that Obama spoke about LGBT rights from a framework that puts the Church directly at the center of hurtful language and rhetoric targeted toward queer communities. I just wish that instead of saying that his faith is calling him to "wrestle" with how to deal with LGBT people, Obama would have owned that as far as his faith goes, there's no debate needed when it comes to fully supporting the civil rights of LGBT people.
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I am now starting to dislike him after being one of his top fans since the primaries.. if he will not make his position known on our RIGHTS, then I don't think he should be president.
Posted by Josh Ritchie on 07/07/2009 @ 12:36PM PT
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I so very much agree with you here! He has 3.5 more years to do something about these issues and if he chooses to do nothing, he won't be getting my vote again.
Posted by cynthia dennis on 07/07/2009 @ 09:06PM PT
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More of the same from the fierce advocate. It's up to us to keep pushing congress for the passage of the Hate Crimes Bill and ENDA this year, to contact the Chairman/woman of the appropriate House subcommittee to ask why the DADT repeal bill hasn't been brought to a floor vote despite a whopping 150 cosponsors, to push for the passage of the UAFA or omnibus immigration reform that includes binational LGBT couples, and to throw our full weight behind Jerry Nadler's DOMA repeal bill which is rumoured to be coming before the fall. Forget the Prez and his flowery rhetoric. This man won't lift a finger unless legislation for health care reform and climate change lands on his desk to sign before the mid-term elections, only then and only maybe will he be prepared to "risk" some political capital on the gay community. Rahm Emmanuel is still clearly shell-shocked from the experience in 1993.
Posted by Tim Kopp on 07/07/2009 @ 01:35PM PT
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President Obama was pragmatic when it came to the second part of his statement but was powerful when it came to the first part of his statement. It's good that President Obama said the truth that a conservative interpretation of Christianity is against LGBT rights, thus wrong. Since he's a member of the United Church of Christ, he should have told the truth about his church's teachings than trying to pass as a more conservative person who's less into LGBT rights.
Posted by Edwin Bonilla on 07/07/2009 @ 02:53PM PT
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It's very frustrating to me, one of many who worked to help ger him elected, to see him getting so wimpy on the subject of our rights. Guess what, Mr. President? I'm a Christian too, and I'm also gay. I think the bible has been used to beat us over the head for centuries. God made me gay, and he doesn't make mistakes!
Posted by gilbert barrett on 07/07/2009 @ 05:42PM PT
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I don't see how you think you can be a christian and be gay. The bible calls out sexual perversion as sin (which is what homosexuality is) and if we don't use the whole bible as God's word, then we can use none. The word says love the sinner not the sin, I just pray God removes the hold Satan has on this movement. God did not make you gay, and you should pray about this.
Posted by James Owens on 07/11/2009 @ 08:31AM PT
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Actually, I think it's perfectly natural to be Christian and gay. For many who are religious, sexual orientation is a gift from God. It should be embraced, not prayed away.
Posted by Michael Jones on 07/11/2009 @ 09:04AM PT
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And isn't the real "sexual" sin intercourse w/o procreation? Therefore anyone (including hetero married couples) who has recreational sex is committing the same "sin"?
Posted by Lisa Smolen on 07/11/2009 @ 09:07AM PT
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Mr. owens...
It is the height of ignorance to equate any sexual orientation with perversity when a person's sexual orientation is inborn and not chosen.
No matter what god or goddess you believe in...We have all been made the way we are whether anyone else likes it or not.
Posted by Thomas McHugh on 10/02/2009 @ 05:53PM PT
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Indeed miss smolen jenks.
And its intresting to note that even though maggie gallagher claims that marriage is only for procreation, she chooses to have a child outside of marriage...Intresting and ironic...
Posted by Thomas McHugh on 10/02/2009 @ 05:55PM PT
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Mr. President, Since our nation is one based on secular law, YOUR religious faith is IRRELEVANT to the rights of MILLIONS of American tax-paying, law-abiding citizens whose only "flaw" as you would suggest is that we are HONEST about who we are as people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That said Mr. President, you still have a choice in this battle, either be on the side of justice or continue being a coward because you are afraid of offending the American-Christian Taliban.
Posted by Dave Hershey on 07/07/2009 @ 07:11PM PT
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As I'm looking at this post, I think it is important to note that I don't mean that all Christians are members of the American-Christian Taliban. We all know who I'm referring to: Rick Warren, Pat Robertson,
Posted by Dave Hershey on 07/09/2009 @ 10:41PM PT
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There's a HUGE part of me that wants to believe that because Obama is a member of the same church my husband belongs to that he personally has no question about LGBT rights - he's not only for them, but belongs to a church that celebrates them.
None of us should ever feel shame in admitting we believe what our church believes (after all, isn't that why people choose one church over another?), and I get sick of Protestant church members trying to pander to the Catholic leaders. The whole point of belonging to a Protestant denomination is to PROTEST the practices of Catholicism!
For the first time, I have hope that the words coming out of a president's mouth really bear no resemblance to what he actually believes. Just waiting for him to step up and actually show some leadership on this issue.
Posted by Lisa Smolen on 07/08/2009 @ 08:24AM PT
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When will the reality finally dawn that the media-created Messiah Obama is nothing more than a politician? If it looks, walks and quacks like a duck...
Posted by Fred Frankenberg on 07/08/2009 @ 09:56AM PT
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it better know how to duck.
Posted by Chris Marshall on 07/09/2009 @ 07:47AM PT
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For every once of hope he gives me, he says something else to take it away.
Posted by Sean Stidham on 07/08/2009 @ 12:24PM PT
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That's exactly what I think. He does this in every issues!
Posted by Peter Tantakarn on 07/10/2009 @ 12:23AM PT
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I'm a social conservative who's personal beliefs would also seem at odds with thie civil rights of this issue. But Dave Hershey stated it correctly in his statement above:
"Mr. President, Since our nation is one based on secular law, YOUR religious faith is IRRELEVANT..."
The same would hold true of my personal beliefs insofar as public policy should be concerned. All of our freedoms are better protected if we have equal rights including equality for the gay community. Those very same rights further strengthen my right to believe and practice what I choose to.
We all shoud have the right to "life, liberty. and the pursuit of happiness". We may choose different paths to that and that is fine providing that we do not deprive others of the same rights. When we seek to to curtail other people's rights (even if we have strong conviction about it) due to our own religious beliefs, we then are really trampling upon our own rights without realizing it.
Too many (not all) religious and political leaders, along with media sources on both sides are exploiting our differences to their own ends. We can remove this wedge by understanding that governments roll in marriage is civil, not religious. Government is to guarantee certain rights and responsibilities with married couples. As a CIVIL issue, this should be equally applied to all. Let the religious side of people's beliefs (or lack of religious beliefs) remain in the private sector.
Posted by William Brown on 07/09/2009 @ 10:13AM PT
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AMEN! And Thank You Mr. Brown! You are a TRUE Conservative (big C). You have captured the essence of what this struggle is all about for the LGBT community.
Again! Thank you SOOOO very much on weighing in on this subject.
Posted by Dave Hershey on 07/09/2009 @ 09:52PM PT
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Totally agree with both of you, William and Dave. Marriage is a Civil right.
Posted by Peter Tantakarn on 07/10/2009 @ 12:26AM PT
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From my observation over almost 6 months of Obama's presidency, I find that in every critical issues he likes to say things to please both sides of the aisle.
Not only does his style discourage my faith in him, but also it worries me that he won't be able to do anything.
He makes me perceive him as an indecisive and cautious leader. At the end of his term, people will view him as a leader who just gets C+ grade. This is not a very pleasant outlook. I hope he will change his style by next year; I really really HOPE so.
Posted by Peter Tantakarn on 07/10/2009 @ 12:34AM PT
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I just don't get it - what is there to struggle over?
There are man's laws and God's laws (of many different religions!) and they ARE different, or at least should be in a democracy. It's called "separation of church and state" and it is one of the basic tenants this country was founded upon and not upon "the Bible" as many people like to mislead others into thinking.
Obama was a lawyer, he knows all this but is too afraid to stand up for what is right and just. Why?
The argument that the Bible forbids homosexual behavior is really ridiculous and ironic.ANy thinking person can see this.
What about all the other things the Bible says, which get disregarded or forgotten by "so called Christians"? Why are only the passages about homosexuals held onto with such a vengeance, while passages with respect to other behaviors (usually things that "heterosexuals" want to do, like get a divorce or commit adultery) get ignored and swept under the rug.
Funny how there are no religious groups protesting divorce or adultery. Why not? Maybe because their minister, their friends or their neighbors might be one of those that they would then be condemning?
According to the Bible, God also never meant for people to eat pork or shellfish, commit adultery or divorce their spouse - yet these have become the norm and acceptable by society and most religions, as well. The Bible also recounts many a man who had more than one wife. So why don't Christians think we should behave that way today? What is the justification for holding onto SOME Bible passages while completely disregarding these others?
Jesus Christ never said anything about homosexuals or homosexual behavior. If it is such an abomination, why not?
The 10 Commandments do not mention homosexuals either. Ironically, one of the Ten Commandments DOES say, "Thou shalt not commit adultery". If that is true then aren't gays who are monogamous and faithful more likely to enter the kingdom of heaven than a heterosexual who commits adultery?
With regards to the argument that homosexuality is not "natural" because the animal kingdom does not engaging in homosexual behavior... . that is not true. There are many, many species that are not exclusively "heterosexual".
In addition, many species of animals are not monogamous at all. If Christians insist on believing (the untrue statement) that animals do not engage in any type of homosexual behavior and therefore the animal world dictates some "natural order" which humans should imitate, then following that reasoning - shouldn't humans have multiple mates and be non-monogamous, just as many animals are.
Remember also that the Bible was used (in the not too distant past) to justify enslaving anyone without white skin, which is another fact that many Christians like to "forget about".
Would Christians use the Bible to justify enslaving people today? Of course not! So why is it OK to use the Bible to keep homosexuals on the margins of society, never fully accepted, always blocking their path to anything that might even hint that society does not want to keep them as a scapegoat?
All in all, using the Bible to justify "family values" and "standing up against immoral lifestyles", discriminating against or hating Gays (or any other group of people for that matter) is a lot like trying to use Swiss cheese for a towel. There are way too many holes in it to be effective and most people with half a brain can see right through it. A true Christian would let God do the judging and would concentrate on their own life, behavior and deeds.
"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned, forgive, and ye shall be forgiven." ~Luke 6:37~
Posted by cynthia dennis on 07/15/2009 @ 02:21PM PT
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He is a politician now, not a lawyer. So he has to make sure most people are happy, which is not right. But that's what he has become.
Posted by Peter Tantakarn on 07/15/2009 @ 04:00PM PT
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I agree with Peter. I also have heard that "wrestling with my faith" crud all too often--translation: "I'm scared of what other people who call themselves Christians will think if I support gay rights, gay marriage and the like. Won't they be mean to me?"
Posted by S B on 07/30/2009 @ 04:09PM PT
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What frustrates me right now is the incident in Cambridge where all resources of the administration and all the media and all the support of this adminstration are using to calm down the problem that the President made comments.
I was, amand will be his supporter, but this incident with the president's involvement takes so much time. I would rather see him spend time saying some supportive comments about LGBTs.
I said it before and say it again that I will give a year to see what the president will say about LGBT and most importantly what he will do about only two things - repeal DADT and repeal DOMA, which he specifically promised LGBTs on every media before the election.
Let's make sure we show up on Oct 11 for Millions March in DC. Please try to get there.
Posted by Peter Tantakarn on 07/30/2009 @ 11:32PM PT
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