For offense Mark but do you really believe that this world needs more starving mouths to feed? This world is already vastly overpopulated; any one who knows how to use google to search can find that out. This is not an article about popping out babies at record rates. This article is about idiots trying to paint all LGBT as pedophiles; which is completely contrary to the evidence of tens of thousands of sociologist, social workers, psychologist, child psychologist and pediatricians.

This is about assholes trying to force their immoral views on other families and strip their children of their loving parents and place them with a brainwashed bigoted zealot who will psychologically traumatize them with their religious bullshit of hellfire and damnation unless they conform.

And this is about the millions of LGBT families in the US who have to suffer discrimination and dehumanization from every angle because people are too stupid to know when someone is feeding them bullshit and propaganda; instead of listening to the scientist. You know scientist... the people that actually know what the hell they are talking about, because they spent their entire lives researching that topic?

I dont care what delusion you prescribe yourself too but dont call something you know nothing about a sin. If homosexuality is a sin then so is heterosexuality, because sexual orientation is different in all human beings, and since gays and straights exhibit the same paternal, maternal, and affection for their spouses, partners, and/or children; to call one a sin is to say the other is as well.

For over 40 years every scientist who studies or who has studied the mind has said there is no difference between Gays and Straights. That sexual orientation does not make a persons personality or lifestyle. That it is natural, normal, and that same sex relationships are the vanguard of what heterosexual relationships could be.

Why is it so hard for "you people" to grasp that very simple concept? We love the same, we parent the same, we get married the same, some even worship the same and we grow old just the same as you. Why is it so hard for you people to get that through to your head?

Mr. smith...If your against homosexuality then what the fuck are you doing here ?

Other than being a fundietard, I mean.

Dear Charlie,

A fundie is a fundamentalist zealot, bigot, or some kind of religious ingrate that believes their immoral ethical and philosophical values are far more important than anyone else's lives or constitutional rights. Fundamentalist zealots were the reasons why African Americans were enslaved and millions of people were killed for being witches and heretics unto their god. Fundamentalist bigots believed it was moral to continue to fight for slavery and against integration. Granted may religious people opposed slavery as well as church leaders, their voices were muted out by the wealth of the minority of extensively wealthy bigots.

How ironic that the same exact thing is happening today. Many churches and religious people support same sex marriage and full integration of LGBT people, but the minority of wealthy bigots strip everyone of their voices and of their rights. As a friend reminds me "In fascist america bullshit and money fucks you."

There is no harm in allowing gay people to be seen as normal, there is no cure for an illness that does not exist, and there is no moral or ethical reason that denying LGBT people and families their full equal rights will in any way help society.

This rolls into a question of why LGBT people instantly call those that don't believe they deserve full equality bigots? Well the answer to that is quite simple. If someone told you that you dont deserve to have the same rights and privileges as your neighbors, family members and friends, yet you are no different than them in every way; then it is quite apparent that telling such normal and equal people "no" is very damning and dehumanizing to them. You are basically telling them, "you are not human," "you are sick," "you are evil," etc... just because they love someone of the same sex as equally as someone of a different sexual orientation loves someone of the opposite sex. What kind of world do we live in that condemns love and condones senseless acts of violence. Welcome to fundie world kids where you are dehumanized and slaughtered for love and worshiped for hate and genocide.

To add fuel to the fire such people (the bigots) create complete fabrication which are highly immoral and felonious. "LGBT people indoctrinate children to change their sexual orientation to fit them so they can exploit them for sex and other deviant acts." Such false bold face lies still continue to be seen as true, where the real answers from science are only seen as "opinions from quacks" or "anti-god rhetoric." These people, these bigots are far from any moral or ethical high road. Their actions and language speak volumes of their immorality, their insecurity, and their willingness to commit hannis acts of  violence against innocent human beings. 

This is what reality really says, not just the science about LGBT and their relationships. Introducing Dr. Gottman and his wife, Julie Schwartz Gottman, Ph.D. Together they have conducted relationship research, therapy, and education at the Gottman Institute in Seattle,Washington. They have studied same-gender couples for over twelve years and heterosexual couples for over thirty years and are renowned across the world  for their work.

"Gay and lesbian relationships are the vanguard of how heterosexual relationships could be. heterosexual couples have a lot to learn from gay couples. Same-sex couples tend to be more positive than straight couples during conflict
and tend to use more affection and humor when discussing difficult subjects. They tend to use fewer controlling and hostile emotional tactics during a fight, and fairness and power-sharing between partners appears to be more common in gay and lesbian relationships than in straight ones."

Gottman has also stated this multiple times:

"Gay and lesbian relationships are the vanguard of how heterosexual relationships may be in 200 years once we get past the (crap) about male power and entitlement"

This isnt just Dr. Gottman who says these things but every medical and mental health science organization across the globe that says the exact same things. So when people reject reality or refuse to even consider the slightest implication that they might be wrong they are bigots. If they believe that LGBT people are people, but dont deserve the same rights as heterosexuals they are still bigots. (yes that means Obama is a bigot as well)

You cant go around saying you support equal rights for all when you only support them for certain groups or only certain rights for those groups. You cant pick and choose when it comes to equality. Either you are all in or you are completely out. Second class status is not equal and neither is partial equality. So if you dont believe in full integration of LGBT people to be seen as normal, loving, nurturing, committed, and faithful human beings then yes Charlie you are a bigot against LGBT people. If you believe in full equality for us then you are not but only on the issue of LGBT people. You could be a bigot in other areas or not a bigot at all.

However, if you question LGBT about the validity of their lives let me leave you with a quote of my experiences.

"No one should have to explain or validate their lives to give those lives meaning, to be treated with equal dignity and respect, and to have the exact same basic human rights and freedoms as everyone else."

I hope this is helpful to you and to any other person on this blog.

Sincerely

Chris Marshall

PS. If you want to have some real information about homosexuality please read these packets from Jeff Lutes and Dr. Rev Mel White.

http://www.soulforce.org/pdf/whatthesciencesays.pdf

http://www.soulforce.org/pdf/false_focus.pdf

http://www.soulforce.org/pdf/whatthebiblesays.pdf

http://www.apa.org/topics/sorientation.html

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts.html

Mark Smith started the debate with his bullshit and that got me quite hot under the collar, because they profess opinions as facts, and real facts as mear anti-christian opinions. More so it is aggravating because if you take the word "homosexual/ity" out of our their language and replace it with "blacks/Negros/colored" you get the exact same rhetoric they used to denigrate the African American community less than 50 years ago. You think people would wake up and realize they are repeating an ugly history.

As I have said to many people. It is very hard to be a bigot against lies, misinformation and hatred. Tolerance of intolerance is intolerance. It is a system that allows intolerance to fester and boil over on the to hands of freedom and capitalism. It scolds America's founding principles and the core democratic values; and it undermines our Constitution and the federal supreme courts role in protecting the soundness of the constitution when applied to disenfranchised minorities and anti-American laws that hurt the common people.

These fundies abuse our freedoms to such a point that people of good will, with reason and logic, feel it is necessary to suppress the freedom of speech to protect the lives of others. This is a terrible outcome but if the fundies and bigots don't stop their barrage of anti-LGBT rhetoric and lies, it might be a necessity for a short period of time in order to protect the lives of the young who are often the targets of such rhetoric and violence.

It's pathetic to even think this way but that is what happens when people abuse the freedoms you endowed them to have. The freedom of speech was enabled so people could speak out against intolerant governments and expose them for what they are. It gave them the right to speak their mind... however those freedoms created mindsets that slavery and segregation were just causes, that slaughtering millions of Native Americans was a just cause, that Women are below men and did not deserve the "privilege" to vote, and now; Gay people are degenerates, pedophiles, and sick, and if they are given their rights then the whole world will fall apart.

People can be stupid animals. Believing without evidence or proof, just because a speaker has a good approach. If we continue to allow the fundies and bigots run amok we will certainly lose not a few but all of our freedoms in due time. It's time people start realizing that freedom of religion also means freedom from religion.