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How American Evangelicals are Killing Gay People in Africa

Published October 21, 2009 @ 08:19PM PT

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Hate never made for a good export. But that hasn't stopped a prominent group of American evangelicals from trying to ship their anti-LGBT principles abroad. One glaring example of right-wing theology run amuck across the globe is fresh out of Uganda, where legislative efforts to attack Ugandan LGBT people reached fever pitch this week.

Uganda is an interesting example of how the radical religious right in the United States has sought to take their battle against all things related to homosexuality to a global level. Earlier this year, a prominent group of evangelicals -- among them representatives from Exodus International and Defend the Family International -- attended a conference in Uganda aimed at discussing ways to fight homosexuality. The goal of the conference was to brainstorm ways that the government, schools and churches in Uganda could "wipe out" homosexuality from the country.

From American religious leaders to participate in something like this shows some pretty gross disrespect for human rights. What's worse, their support has lent credence to a bill introduced in Uganda's parliament this week that will imprison people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender, and will imprison straight people who support gay rights. Oh, and let's not forget that the bill also calls for HIV-positive gay people to be put to death.

All of that and a bag of chips, and it's all courtesy of American evangelicals.

Wayne Besen, a leading LGBT rights activist who monitors "ex-gay" religious groups, nails a description of the shady stuff going on in Uganda.

"Anti-gay groups have long viewed Uganda as a laboratory to experiment with Christian theocracy," writes Besen. "These American 'ex-gay' activists clearly left their stamp on this evil legislation, giving Ugandan officials a way to justify the abuse because they can claim that 'sinful' gays can choose to change."

And the proof is in the pudding -- or in this case, the actual text of the legislation, which reads like it could be lifted straight off the hate-filled pages of Exodus International's Web site. Here's a juicy nugget from the bill:

This legislation further recognizes the fact that same sex attraction is not an innate and immutable characteristic and that people who experience this mental disorder can and have changed to a heterosexual orientation.

It also recognizes that because homosexuals are not born that way, but develop this disorder based on experiences and environmental conditions, it is preventable, especially among young people who are most vulnerable to recruitment into the homosexual lifestyle.

Homosexuality is a mental disorder. Homosexuality can be cured. Homosexuality can be prevented. Did somebody put some crazy in the Ugandan Parliament's water?

Nope, far from it. Instead, American conservative religious leaders have been feeding Ugandan politicians this type of rhetoric for quite some time. According to Besen, Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni has been embraced by American fundamentalists as "the key man" in Africa to helping spread conservative Christianity. This homophobic bill is really just the latest in a history of efforts by U.S. religious groups to spur anti-gay sentiment in Uganda, and the entire African continent.

It's worth sending a message to officials in Uganda that this type of legislation is a clear violation of human rights. Uganda now has a choice: Do they want to be a country with one of the most vile human rights reputations in the world, or do they want to show that they can be responsible actors in the world community and respect the rights of all of their citizens?

This, to me, is by far the clearest example of how these 'ex-gay' ministries are not only damaging to LGBT people; they're damaging to international human rights. People will be murdered and imprisoned because of the work of organizations like Exodus International and Defend the Family International.

(Photo courtesy of Stig Nygaard's photostream on Flickr, used under creative commons license.)

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  1. Rev Bookburn

    It is necessary to make sure that such bigoted groups/ churches are not receiving public funding. Under Taliban-wannabee Bush, these types were included on the desire list of "faith-based" funding and implementing policies anywhere in the world. They deserve to be exposed, protested, and defunded of any public resources. Rev. Bookburn - Radio Volta

    Posted by Rev Bookburn on 10/21/2009 @ 09:05PM PT

  2. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    separation of church and state is very important if allowed these types would pass a law to jail ones who do not attend christian church o sunday.....

    Being Cherokee I know they will try to force you to convert or kill you. I still pray to the wind and sky and let others do as they feel is correct. I would never step foot in a church that supports slavery, bigotry and hate as theirs does

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 10/22/2009 @ 08:11AM PT

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  3. Dave Hershey

    CFJ, you are very correct in that if allowed, they would be passing these types of laws here. Trust me, if there was a requirement to attend these churches or to pass laws that criminalized us, I would as I said to Glenn down below........go postal on their asses!

    Posted by Dave Hershey on 10/22/2009 @ 10:10AM PT

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  5. Alan Bounville

    This is disgusting! This is the second time today I have heard of this happening. Exodus and Defend the Family International are the ones who should be put to death - not the people that run the groups - I don't advocate that - but the groups themselves.

    ohdi.blogspot.com

    www.tinyurl.com/ohdiversity

    Posted by Alan Bounville on 10/21/2009 @ 09:47PM PT

  6. Fred Frankenberg

    This is something Congress needs to be aware of & of how we feel about it. These organizations have their roots in the US and we can impose sanctions and fines against them for supporting what amounts to sexual terrorism. Further, if their direct support of these policies can be proven we may be able to bring criminal charges against the leaders of Exodus and their co-conspirators. How can we get a petition started?

    Posted by Fred Frankenberg on 10/22/2009 @ 07:03AM PT

  7. Glenn Barres

    As a pro choice thinker that tries to take in all facts before making a decision, i think this story is not telling the whole truth.  I personally do not know the whole truth so I will not make such claims.  However there is something that must be taken into consideration.  In Africa HIV/AIDS has pretty much decimated the population.  It is a war that (last I checked) they are losing, or maybe barely beginning to win.

    So the real question is this: does Uganda want to be a contending player in the future of humanity?  Or do they want to be a dwindling country that fought to protect the "rights" of a bunch of people that act out on animalistic impulses whilst destroying their country?  If the former is more desirable then some radical action will have to be made.

    Now before anyone starts getting all pissy of that last paragraph let me mention this.  People say, "it's natural" or "we are born this way", well that is a total bullshit argument and I will tell you why.  We are also born with the innate desire to dominate, to kill, and fight, does this mean we should be allowed to murder our neighbors just because we don't like them?  What I am getting at is the "we are born this way" argument does not fly.

    Now I am not saying killing people is the answer but simply letting people do what they want to do is a step in the wrong direction.  

    I will leave on this note, the treatment of the AIDS factor should also be handled the same regardless sexual orientation.

    Posted by Glenn Barres on 10/22/2009 @ 07:24AM PT

  8. Michael Jones

    I think there are ways to deal with HIV/AIDS without locking people up or killing them. Criminalizing homosexuality actually has been shown to exacerbate HIV/AIDS rates, because it sends people underground and has them engaging in all sorts of risky sexual activity -- mostly because they don't have access to information on prevention, how the disease is transmitted, what causes it, etc.

    And while there are still people who think that sexual orientation is exclusively a choice, the vast majority of scientists, biologists -- hell, even the Catholic Church -- admits that there's a biological element. To think otherwise is so very...1940s.

    Posted by Michael Jones on 10/22/2009 @ 07:53AM PT

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  9. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    I think this is the type person that scares me......Letting people do what they want to do is a step in the wrong direction...........It is freedom babay yea........it is not a choice as a gay person...

    scarey makes me want to buy more ammo

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 10/22/2009 @ 08:16AM PT

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  10. Chris Marshall

     

    As a member of the APA division 44 I can tell you that homosexuality is not a choice, cannot be cured and is a positive, natural, normal varied of sexual orientation.

    Those are just the facts that have been retested and proven over the course of 50 years of intensive study on human and animal sexuality and sexual orientation.

    As for your lack of knowledge on sexual orientation as well as your logical fallacy of appealing to fear, and ridicule when you insinuate that murder and dominance in humans are similar to sexual orientation, let's set the record straight from a scientific perspective. Ideas of murder and dominance have to do with the Pons and midbrain. Sexual orientation does as well, in some aspects but not all. No two functions for survival are related other than the site where they are found. Just because your occipital lobe, which processes visual images, is a part of your brain it doesn't mean it has anything to do with the cerebellum, which helps you balance, just because the two are in the same region. Ideas of murder are far different than ideas of sexual attraction, attraction, romance, and love.

    Homosexuality, Glenn, is far from a choice and the science has concluded that many years ago. It is time to stop fighting the science, as the church did with heliocentric, biogenesis, and evolution.

     

     

    Posted by Chris Marshall on 10/22/2009 @ 08:52AM PT

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  11. Dave Hershey

    At first Glenn, I truly thought you were nutz (okay I already KNOW you are nutz,) especially when you mention the "innateness" of wanting to kill another person.

    In a way you are correct, it's people like YOU that make me want to go postal on your ass! And it's not I disagree with you, it's because you really make our education system look like a TOTAL failure. Please tell me you were home schooled!

    Posted by Dave Hershey on 10/22/2009 @ 10:04AM PT

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  12. leatrice brantley

    Glenn, you are a perfect example of the failure of the US Education system..need I say any more?

    "The Mis-Education of the American Negro"...

    Posted by leatrice brantley on 10/24/2009 @ 08:48AM PT

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  13. Shas Cho

    Glen, I see no "choice" in your tirade.

    Only the choice to agree with you.

    Firstly, HIV is *NOT* a homosexual disease in Africa.

    Never was. So tying the two issues together

    is manipulative and ignorant.

    And what's with the hate speech?

    "Animalistic impulses"?

    Is that what you call YOUR love life?

    Time to evolve, Glen.

    Your pretence is altogether transparent.

    Posted by Shas Cho on 10/25/2009 @ 12:17PM PT

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  14. William Hamilton

    You are a complete idiot. You argue that we are born this way but should not act on it. Well, if you are born straight, then why should we let you act on that? And how dare someone utter some stupidity about "We can't let people just do what they want"!!!! This is a free nation right? Doesn't that mean we can live life how we want? And people need to take "drastic action" to stop the spread of AIDS in Africa? Yeah, like maybe teach them to use condoms! Instead of preaching that they are evil like the Pope wants to do. You know, I've got a notion. AIDS might be rampant in Africa, but stupidity is rampant here in the US. I think drastic action is needed for that. Let's just imprison you!

    Posted by William Hamilton on 10/25/2009 @ 06:10PM PT

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  15. Frank Elliott

    Glenn,

    You're more of a Nazi than a pro choice thinker.  Being gay isn't about giving in to "animalistic impulses."  The law in Uganda isn't about disease transmission because it doesn't penalize heterosexual transmission of HIV.

     

    Posted by Frank Elliott on 10/27/2009 @ 07:48AM PT

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  17. leatrice brantley

    What natural resources does Uganda have that the United States is interested in....????

    Religion and Politics make for strange bedfellows.......

    They are usually one and the same..

    Colonialism and past bad deeds of exploiting Africans is the root cause of this hate campaign.

    I believe in God, just not the ONE the Christian Evangelical-Haters are promoting..

    Shame on them ALL......

     

    Posted by leatrice brantley on 10/22/2009 @ 07:50AM PT

  18. Dave Hershey

    I have just ONE correction for you to consider "Xtian-Evangelical haters....."

    I grew up in one of those Xtian-Evangelical hating homes, and it really sucked!

    On a brighter note, the Senate voted 64-35 on cloture in regards to the hate crimes bill.

    Posted by Dave Hershey on 10/22/2009 @ 10:08AM PT

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  19. leatrice brantley

    Yes, I read that yesterday..an other step in the "correct" direction..So sorry to hear about your up-bringing..thank God you "survived"..

    Posted by leatrice brantley on 10/24/2009 @ 08:39AM PT

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  21. Martin Martinez

    These ex gay ministries do more harm than good to people.I hope these lies about us stop.

    Posted by Martin Martinez on 10/22/2009 @ 07:57AM PT

  22. Shas Cho

    Yes, and the ex-gay "ministries" also operate on lies.

    Their "success" rate is laughable,

    their suicide rate is pathetic.

    The founders and former leaders of Exodus International

    have come forward with truth and apologies.

    Have a look:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=428DjvtptDg

    Posted by Shas Cho on 10/25/2009 @ 12:23PM PT

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  23. Thomas McHugh

    Thank you miss cho for sharing that with us...

     

    Posted by Thomas McHugh on 10/25/2009 @ 01:13PM PT

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  25. Rachel So

    The US Religious Right needs a new gullible nonwhite culture, one that will take its hate-filled barbarism as "modern-day enlightenment," as its colony to spread its hate.

    For the past 120 years, Korea worked very well in that regard. Unfortunately for the US Religious Right, modern-day South Korea is a very sophisticated society with highly educated professionals, and those said professionals, when they were being educated in the West, picked up Western liberal "moonbat" ideas like right to a pursuit of happiness as well as minority rights. While South Korea remains 30% Christian, most of that Protestant tradition rising out of the US Bible Belt, there no longer is much of a lovefest for the US Religious Right outside the church leaderships and the current Lee Myung-bak (a far-right Presbyterian himself) administration.

    I was based out of Seoul a year ago at this time, so I know how much the people have moved forward. When discussing US politics, they knew that LGBT rights were a huge issue in US elections, and they also knew that passing the likes of California's Prop 8 was dead wrong for America. I also valued a more traditional Asian approach to religion, which often means that as different religions compete fiercely for believers, most people take ideas from those different religions and formulate their own spiritual realm. Religious coexistence has always been a given in Asian societies (not necessarily peaceful, but still a given) - at least until American evangelical Christianity started destroying that in South Korea.

    Unfortunately, the Korean immigrants stateside are a different story; they voted for Prop 8 in droves and are pretty much a monolithic Religious Right bloc. They blame the changes in South Korea on North Korean Communist plots to corrupt the society. But they came to the US in a different era, when South Korea was a loyal puppet of the American far right and had the world's fast-growing Christian movement - the very days that the US Religious Right misses.

    The US Religious Right does need a new colony right away, and that's no joke.

    Posted by Rachel So on 10/22/2009 @ 10:16AM PT

  26. Thomas McHugh

    The religious right needs to be put down permanently like the rabid dogs they are...

    Theyre a direct threat to all of us...

    Posted by Thomas McHugh on 10/23/2009 @ 08:50AM PT

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  28. Jorge Lopez

    America. Spreading freedom butter on the toasty buns of the earth.

    Posted by Jorge Lopez on 10/22/2009 @ 12:16PM PT

  29. Edwin Bonilla

    It's terrible that intolerant conservatives organizations have a hold in Uganda in their attempt to strip the rights of LGBT people and destroy the LGBT rights movement in Uganda. However, Uganda must condemn the intolerance of the oppressive bill and the intolerant organizations. A very good way to take away the terrible influence of those organizations is to evoke more nationalism in Uganda in saying that organizations such as Exodus International want to take over.

    Posted by Edwin Bonilla on 10/22/2009 @ 02:44PM PT

  30. Ben Murphy

    Michael.  Can you please present the sites where you pulled the information for your story?  I think that would be helpful for our audience. 

    Per the questions debated above.  I think there are two questions to deal with... prior to the biological issues... though I do agree that there are possible biological ties.  The first questions that would need to be dealt with are:

    1. Is the Bible the true written word of God?  Is it truth?  If you answer yes, then you can use it as a source.  If you answer no, then you cannot as it is not credible. At that point, you move to relativism, not Christianity.

    2. Who was Jesus Christ and was he who he claimed to be? Was he speaking truth? If you answer God, the Messiah, then you can use Him as a source and validate his teachings through the Bible and this also validates the Old Testement as He was a firm believer in God Yaweh and was Jewish.  Reaffirming the validity of the Old Testement along with the New.

    3. If one does not believe one and two to be truths, where do they go to their source for being called a Christian (A follower of Christ)?  If one was to follow Christ, he/she would then want to seek out how to Love God and Love Others...

    4.  Sin could be stated as the opposite of Loving God and Loving others...  Remember first was to Love the Lord your God with all of your heart...  second was to love your neighbor as yourself.  The question I ask myself is what does God say about homosexuality?  The source would be the Bible based upon how I answered the questions above, and if not the Bible then it becomes relative and there is no Truth.  

    5.  If you are a Christian, assuming that you care about 1-4, the next question would be how do you deal with sin?  There is no place in the Bible that says you should kill sinners... It will not be found.  Even if a Christian thinks that homosexuality is a sin, there is nothing backing this.  In fact, the call would be to love the sinner.

    5.  Finally, assuming that the article above is credible and not biased.  I see issues regardles of who the people are.  Let's be real and deal with the issue and not attack the believed cause.  Let's deal with looking at what we believe to be sin...  If people are being killed because they have AIDs and are homosexual, does it matter if homosexuals are killing them or straights, catholic or protestant, muslim or jews?  I don't think that changes the fact that the killing is wrong?  I would ask why are these people being killed?  for what were they charged?  and where does the logic come from to kill? I think it is a great question to pondor of whether America has made 3rd world countries a better place or a worse place? 

    My question for the gentleman above is that if homosexuality was found to be a sin, how should it be dealt with, what does the Bible say about that?  I hear his logic on the serial killer and that could be used to support alcoholism (which it is) using illegal drugs (which it is) depression (which it is) lying (which it is) killing (which it is) lust (which it is)slavery (which it is) child sex trafficing (which it is)....  What is truth?

    Is it all relative....   If there is truth, how do we deal with it.... 

    You tell me blog... 

     

    I am a straight Christian and this story saddens me...  Not because I am seeking gay rights or anyones rights... but because I seek for truth and justice...  Depending on the total truth of this post, which the writer needs to cite, I would be disapointed to hear that Christians were acting in such a way as asking to kill people for their sins.  The fact that people choose to live with and in their denial of their sin, is usually a large enough load to bear.  Whether homosexuality is a sin or not, is not my call, but I can say  that it is clear that killing someone for a sin is not biblical truth... 

    I am glad I do not struggle with that battle.

    Posted by Ben Murphy on 10/22/2009 @ 04:43PM PT

  31. Dave Hershey

    There is one problem Ben, if there are two individuals (or groups) debating something, and one of those accepts the Bible as "the truth" and the "word of god" and the other does not, there is nothing to debate. That is exactly what you are saying.

    When it comes to the law, WE, the United States of America, are a SECULAR nation, which recognizes no official religion. Therefore, your beliefs in the Bible as "the truth" or "the word of god" have zero relevance as it pertains to the law, or shall I say, it shouldn't have any relevance. You see, according to my god, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, tells me that his word is the truth and nothing else is real. (No I don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster - but you get my point.)

    You stated that "whether homosexuality is a sin or not, is not my call," but in the previous statement you stated "the fact that people choose to live with and in their denial of their sin, is usually a large enough load to bear." It sure sounds to me like you are not only judging gays and lesbians, but that you are also denying that we had a choice in our sexual orientation. If that is the case, please tell us all, when you did actually make the decision to be heterosexual? Was it after your first sexual encounter with another male? Second? Tenth?

    Trust me, I'm not trying to be the grammar police, we all have seen many of the errors that I have made; however, when you place those statements back to back, you are implicitly stating that those who identify or partake in homosexual activity are living in denial of their sin. That is where I feel you are being judgmental. If that was not your intent, I do apologize, that is just how it came across. Perhaps you needed a new paragraph to break up the two thoughts? I don't know, only you know your intent.

    Posted by Dave Hershey on 10/22/2009 @ 06:59PM PT

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  32. Dave Hershey

    Also, I'm not sure what you mean as far as Michael not citing his sources. It is all throughout the article. You see the red sentences, those are hyperlinks. You can click on them and they will take you to his sources. And some of those sources even have their sources linked.

    Posted by Dave Hershey on 10/22/2009 @ 07:05PM PT

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  33. Chris Marshall

    As long as we protect the freedoms of hate, bigotry, and presenting misleading, flase, and felonious information as fact, we will never see an end to oppression. As a survivor of an ex-gay organization I can tell you personally Ben that these people are this evil, if not more.

    If you are looking for truth about sexual orientation you have three options. Either read the science and accpet that as reality or take the hard route and read everything you can find about hewbrew culture, history, psychology, etc during the time when the bible was written and then look at the passages most often used to comdemn us LGBT and see if the arguments of our oppressors hold water.

    The third option requires that you take the doctoral work of theologins over your own or your pastors/priests ideas and opinions on what the bible says about homosexuality. This makes it easier because it combines the first two options in to one. Here are a few links you can go to. I hope they help.

    http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible

    http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-science

    For the best sources this site call Religious Tolerance is by far one of the best here are two links to this debate. The first one goes right into what the bible really says about sexual orientation and homosexuality and the second one is an entire resource that covers everything, from the history and oppression of LGBT, to understanding the civility behind same sex marriage and anti-heterosexism/homophobia education in schools.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/homosexu.htm

    Here are three videos on this issue from soul force.

    http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-debate-verdict-video

    http://www.soulforce.org/article/lewis-smedes-video

    http://www.soulforce.org/article/mel-white-sermon-video

    Posted by Chris Marshall on 10/23/2009 @ 01:20AM PT

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  35. Lisa  Taylor

    Like I always said, do what you feel is right. If you feel that homosexuality is wrong then don't do it, if you don't feel that it's wrong then do it. No one should be forced to do something because an organization says so... in Christianity, free will is suppose to be the key.  How can we make some of these religious organizations see this? It's like they totally skip over certain verses?

    Posted by Lisa Taylor on 10/22/2009 @ 10:53PM PT

  36. Dave Hershey

    Trust me Lisa, I would much rather have my free will as opposed to the oppression of religious indocrination ANY day!

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  37. Jenifer Lewis

    Not only do they skip over certain verses, they interpret others in ways that justify their bigotry.

    Posted by Jenifer Lewis on 10/28/2009 @ 01:22PM PT

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  39. Sarah Manthey

    This story isn't biased at all...

    Right.

     

    As an evangelical myself, I do take offense to this as these people are part of my denomination. I think you take the idea of 'getting rid of gays' too seriously. Its either a misunderstanding or a little church gone wrong. As evangelicals, we believe that accepting anyone in their state is welcome with God. We love all people and welcome them into God's church. 

    Posted by Sarah Manthey on 10/23/2009 @ 04:54AM PT

  40. Dave Hershey

    Perhaps he should have been clearer........these are the individuals that I like to call the Talibangelicals.

    Posted by Dave Hershey on 10/23/2009 @ 08:18AM PT

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  41. Chris Marshall

    Sarah, as a survivor of ex-gay therapy I could discuss with you for hours about my mistreatment at the hands of this religious abuse. Let me just say this. Of the 22 of us that were in the organization only three of us are still alive today. Of us three I am the only one not in a mental institution for severe depression and anxiety, and that is only because soon after I was out I met Ruben and he has been with me since then.

    These organizations whether Evangelical or not must be stopped. What you read is not a lie. If allowed to go farther I am quite sure these groups would kill with their own hands, instead of infesting such severe mental abuse on their victims that the victims commit suicide, or indoctrinating third world governments to such a point that they eradicate LGBT.

    Just because these people are a part of your group doesn't mean you have to support their genocidal tendencies against innocent and productive members of society and their families.

    Posted by Chris Marshall on 10/23/2009 @ 08:37AM PT

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  42. Thomas McHugh

    Miss manthey...

    You wanna talk biased ?

    Ok...Lets talk biased...Lets talk about the fact that you bible thumpers are soooooo blinded by your own fundemental masters that your biased against anything that would disprove what they claim...Even to the point of ignoring proven science, common sense and basic logic...All of which would tell you that sexual orientation isnt a choice and that opressing others based on the justification of a "holy" book that also endorses slavery, rape and murder not to mention abortion (Ironicly) aint just biased...Its pure certifiable lunacy.

    One more thing sweety...

    Your on a gay rights blog...Of course its gonna be biased towards gay rights...Just as any of your favorite bible thumping forums would be biased towards hating homosexuals among other things.

    Common sense sweety...Common sense.

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  43. Shas Cho

    "As evangelicals, we believe that accepting anyone in their state is welcome with God. We love all people and welcome them into God's church."

    Tell that to Matthew Shepard.

    He was tortured and killed by christians.

    The evangelical myth begins with the doctrine

    that every human being

    deserves death and eternal torture.

    Any lesser response to "sin"

    is either negligent or "merciful."

    Posted by Shas Cho on 10/26/2009 @ 09:09AM PT

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  45. teresa desper

    will what do you know a christain religion killing people for their lifestyle, they have to kill someone or their religion wouldnt be right, they have to judge and criticize because their god told them not to. everybody has to get a turn to be picked on, you know this is where bulling comes from.

    Posted by teresa desper on 10/24/2009 @ 09:57AM PT

  46. Luella -

    Oh, my god. This makes me think back to high school when I heard my classmates talk about shooting intersexed/trans people, running gay people out of town, and kicking gay people for complaining about verbal abuse. And it makes me want to go back in time and stand up to all of those people and ask them if they seriously wanted to kick me. I doubt they did, but this issue of Evangelicals helping kill gay people in places where violence is a much greater possibility just shows that expressing these sentiments even half-seriously is too much.

    Posted by Luella - on 10/25/2009 @ 08:33AM PT

  47. Carol Baldwin

    1Corinthians13:4-7 "Charity(Love) suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5:Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own. is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6:Rejoiceth not in inquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;" 7:"Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things"  Verse13:And now abideth faith, hope, charity(Love), these three; but the greatest of these is charity."  Thank you, Carol Baldwin, California

    Posted by Carol Baldwin on 10/25/2009 @ 12:41PM PT

  48. Thomas McHugh

    And your point in posting this is ???

    Posted by Thomas McHugh on 10/25/2009 @ 01:16PM PT

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  50. Greg Deshong

    Christians say homosexuality is a curse on humanity, imo christians are the curse on humanity. For the entirety of their existence, they pretend to preach about tolerance and love but they still condone prejudice, murder, and the oppression of science.

    I'm not gay but I fully support gay people.

    Posted by Greg Deshong on 10/25/2009 @ 02:12PM PT

  51. Thomas McHugh

    Thank you mr. dischong but one thing I need to correct you on is that, it isnt christians who are our enemies...Its FUNDEMENTAL christians also known as bible thumpers who are the problem.

    The regular christians more often than not actually supports equality for all.

    Posted by Thomas McHugh on 10/25/2009 @ 04:10PM PT

  52. Greg Deshong

    True. Most of the christians who voice their beliefs on the internet are fundemental christians and because of them I've grown to hate christians.

    Most normal christians are cool, my best friend is a christian. He keeps his beliefs to himself and doesn't feel like he needs to convert everyone who doesn't believe what he believes.

    Posted by Greg Deshong on 10/25/2009 @ 11:50PM PT

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  54. Federico Hewson

    Wow, This is one of the most disturbing things I have read in a while. Have Amnesty International been notified and chapters of other groups particularly working in the United States on Human Rights? The religious leaders of some of the main church denominations in America should contact the leaders of the groups that went to Uganda to support this.  Churches need to recognize this is a human rights issue and working with a country whose policies may condemn many to death needs to be stronly condemned by the churches of America.

    Posted by Federico Hewson on 10/25/2009 @ 02:12PM PT

  55. Stephen  Yost

    How can they not know ? The only way the leaders of the church could not know this, is if they turned a deaf ear to it. I'm sure that many of the congregation don't know, but do you really think they would care ? They don't even care about how we are being treated in their own country. Now don't quote me on this, because I'm not sure it's accurate. But I've just recently been told that in Jamaica, where many of us go on vacation, it is a law, punishable by DEATH, for two men to have sex together. If indeed this is true, maybe we should all be looking at where we spend our money. It's sad but true that "Money Talks" ! And if you don't believe it, look at big Pharma. look at the banks, look at other countries that the U.S.A. has sold weapons to, only to have them used against us. Yes my friends, "Money Talks" ! So if all of us stop supporting the establishments and vacation destinations who condemn us, it will be noticed. You've heard the slogan now used by the christian church "Hate the sin, but love the sinner". The reason they allow us to be members of their congregation's is because we contribute money to their church. Any homosexual person knows that you cannot hate someone for who they are and love them at the same time. And actually, if you read their bible, the book they claim is absolutely true. It say's "EXPELL the imoral brother". What does that tell you ? They will twist scripture anyway possible to suite their own evil agenda, and if you or I will contribute to their cause, they don't mind accepting it. Doesn't that sound a little bit like "Blood Money", so to speak ? The reason I know this is because just recently I attended a baptism at a local church because it meant alot for the person who was being baptized for me to be there. It just so happend that the person speaking that morning KNEW that I am a practicing homosexual, so he explained to the congregation that, although they had finished teaching on this particular subject last week, he thought it a good idea to elaberate on it a little more this week. He continued to preach about "expelling the imoral brother", which of course I knew (being it is a very, very small congregation) was directed at me. I was about to get up and leave in the middle of the service, but contained myself. Instead, just to see what would happen, I got out my check book, (ME, the imoral brother), and made out a check for $100.00 and dropped it in the offering plate. I then waited for everyone to congratulate the person that I was there to support, even though I did not agree with his decision. I gave him a hug, though I could not bring my self to say congratulations, and, with my family, left the church. I waited patiently to hear from the church, thinking that since they knew I was a practicing homosexual, they would have to reject my money. Well, lo and behold, I was reconciling my checkbook a few days later and noticed that my check had indeed been cashed by the church. Thus bringing me to my point. When it comes to money, or anything else that suites their agenda, we homosexuals are just fine and dandy. Bewhere of wolves in sheeps clothing my friends, becuase even though they may not say it to your face, they are probably saying it behind your back.

    Posted by Stephen Yost on 11/01/2009 @ 08:33AM PT

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  56. Ioan Lightoller

    Of course they didn't return the money, the hypocrites! They can hate us and yet take our money--they probably rationlise that if they have it, less money is spent on our "immoral" "lifestyle".

    This is why I am pretty much a Pagan these days. I am sick and tired of always being talked about and stabbed in the back. These days, its "Just as I am, Lord and Lady, just as I am".

    Posted by Ioan Lightoller on 11/01/2009 @ 09:11AM PT

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  57. Thomas McHugh

    @ Mr. yost.

    Indeed and yes, I too have heard about jamaica's attitude problem.

    @ Miss lightoller.

    I agree 100 %

    Posted by Thomas McHugh on 11/01/2009 @ 07:46PM PT

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  59. Iain Hammer

    I came from an Evangelical Pentecostal background; my mother was 'born again'. Alas, her adherence to irrational belief systems re: 'divine helaing' encouraged her to stop taking her insulin, and she died at the age of 44... as a direct result of being 'born again'.T he irony is too bitter for me to comment further, but clearly I know first-hand how much fear and bewilderment underpins the dogma and beliefs of Evangelism (or is that Evangelicalism). The 'Christian' posters on this thread all presuppose that 'homosexuality' is simply and entirely about the sex itself (and they're an unimaginative lot, all they can think about is, let's be frank, anal sex, although studies in Europe have suggested that this is a) a minority activity and b) favored by slightly greater numbers of heterosexuals than homosexuals). The reason we as a population chose the word 'gay' for ourselves - men AND women (again, Evangelicals seem mostly disturbed by gay men, not lesbians)- is that 'gay' has had the sense of 'sexually unconventional' since at least the seventeenth century. And it is a non-clinical word. 'Homosexual', a rather illiterate neologism combining the Greek 'homos', meaning 'the same' -and pronounced with a short 'o'; it's amazing how many Americans mispronounce it -and the Latin 'sexus', was coined around 1869 by a German psychologist, and is an entirely invented, made-up category. What Evangelicals fail to grasp is that for gay people, it is our primary emotional, romantic, loving focuses that are directed to, and drawn to, members of our own sex. My partner and I, happily now married (in Europe, which is streets ahead of the US), have been a loyal, faithful, devoted and monogamous couple for 21+ years. We in fact are the 'marital champions' in his family, and my partner's brother put it. My husband and I work and live together 24/7, walk our dogs, send birhday gifts to our godson, enjoy family get-togethers with his in-laws, worry about paying the household bills, keeping a roof over our head, and being there to support and love each other when times are tough. It is also true to say that we fell in love at first sight, and that we love each other more and more with each passing day, every accumulating year. That the depth of our devotion for one another is reduced by the Religious Right to a matter of 'sin' (for which you should read 'sex') demonstrates the paucity and callowness of Evangelical Christians' fear-based thinking (I use the word advisedly). Whatever I do -or don't - in bed with my husband is nobody's business but mine; although I would add that like most long-married couples, sex plays a very very small part in our married lives. I live with the man who is my best friend, my companion, my beloved. And I would give my life for him in an instant. I don't have to tell you what Jesus C. would say about that, he was pretty clear about what the 'greater love' entails, but it's of no matter to me; I walked away from Christianity a long time ago, so appalled was I by the antics of Christians, who might do well to take a leaf from Alcoholics Anonymous's traditions, and base their public-relations on "attraction, rather than promotion". The Christians' problem is that fewer and fewer people want what they have - most Christians are dreadful advertisements for their faith. Again, I grew up surroundedby them, I know whereof I speak. Meanwhile I look into my husband's eyes, I know I am loved, assure him that I, too, reciprocate his love, and we continue to try in our modest way to offer some of that love to those we encounter in our day-to-day walk through this demanding life of ours.

    Posted by Iain Hammer on 10/25/2009 @ 02:27PM PT

  60. Stephen  Yost

    I agree, and as you mentioned, Jesus said; according to the bible, "No greater love hath any man than he lay down his life for another".  The bible also teaches that "Woe to those who cause one of these little one's to go astray". Well in case they haven't noticed, these little one's are commiting suicide because they sit in the pews on Sunday morning being taught by someone who they believe knows the will of God, that they are an abomination to God, that God hates them and that they are going to burn in hell for eternity. Have they not noticed that THEY themselves are the ones causing so many of "these little one's" to go astray ? Their bible say's "take the log out of your own eye before you worry about the speck in your brother's".  Their bible also says " for the measure you use to judge, the same measure will be used unto you". Their bible also says, "Judge not lest ye be judged". Their bible also says, "let the one among you who is without sin cast the first stone". The greatest commandment, Jesus said is: "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy mind, and the second is like unto it, Love your neighbor as yourself". Their bible also says: 1 Corinthians 13:13 " And now these three remain, Faith, Hope and Love. But the greatest of these is Love". Yes, you are so right. J.C. would certainly have had a tad bit to say to these "self-righteous" christians who do just exactly what he commanded them Not to do. They drive past the homeless and hungry on their way to church in their Lincoln's and BMW's and after church, they go to a restaurant and force people (who cannot afford to refuse to work on Sunday for fear of loosing their jobs) to make their meals and serve them, for minimum wage I might add. They go home, feeling simply wonderful about themselves, having gone to church that morning and putting their 10 cents in the offering plate, while listening to "What their itching ears want to hear", (which by the way their bible also said they would do). All the while relaxing in their easy chair's admiring all their wealth and fame (bestowed upon them by Jesus, because they deserve it, or so they believe). Jesus said, feed the hungry, the poor, the sick, the needy, the widows, he said put all of your money together, so that none of you should suffer undo hardship, that you all may be equal and cared for. I'm a 50 year old man, I've raised two children with my wife of 16 years, my Son has MS.  I now am divorced and also have two beautiful Grandson's that I Love more than life. I have given, and given, and given, my whole life. To my family, to my friends, to my X-church, to my Wife, my children, grandchildren, poor and hungry people on the street, and I expect NO recognition for that, I am only telling you this now to show how distorted this nation is when it comes to Gay, lesbian, transgender and so on. When they have thrown THEIR OWN CHILDREN out because they were Gay, I have shown compassion, I have prayed for their ignorance, and that if I were wrong in my struggle, that God would forgive me. I've tried so hard not to judge them, but I've come to realize that (WE) for the sake of others (Love thy neighbor as thyself) must stand up and fight for what is right. No more can we afford to sit in the shadows, accepting the crumbs of love and compassion they choose to drop us. WE, as a people, MUST stand up and say, LOOK, HERE WE ARE !  If we don't demand respect, we will never ever get it. Thank you for allowing me to voice my opinion on your comment.

    Posted by Stephen Yost on 11/01/2009 @ 08:03AM PT

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  61. Thomas McHugh

    Well said mr. yost.

    Posted by Thomas McHugh on 11/01/2009 @ 07:58PM PT

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  63. Ioan Lightoller

    What is this need of fundamentalist Xtians trying to ram their religion down people's throats? This is the problem with fundamentalists of all stripes: they are not happy just to believe and live according to their convictions. They want to push their views on everyone else.

    Ms Manthey, the people responsible for this atrocity in Uganda ARE Evangelicals. And yes, Evangelicals love someone gay as long as they are willing to admit that homosexuality is a sin and live a life of which the Evangelicals approve. This means a life of celibacy, with no hope of a life partner or spouse. YOU don't live the life of LGBTQ people which in this country is bad enough with all the fundie carping and efforts to deny us basic freedoms, like the freedom to marry.

    Not satisfied with this, creeps like Lively and other Exodus have gone to Uganda and persuaded their government to pass draconian laws against LGBTQ Ugandans. Mr. Lively blames the Holocaust on gays--that's a new spin on Holocaust Denial, I must say. The Nazis didn't perpetrate the  Holocaust, LGBTQ people did. What twaddle!

    Iain, I am so sorry about your mum. Xtianity has done damage to millions and still does damage even as I write this. I am so glad that you have a loving husband with whom you can share your life. My hersband is the love and the light of my life and I am so happy to have found her.

    The people that perpetrated this mess are beneath contempt. Having done this in Uganda, how many more nations are they going to be allowed to infect with their hate.

    Ms. Manthey and other Christians that post on the GLBTQ boards here, it is Christianity as interpreted by fundamentalists who hate and fear homosexuality. Their fear and hate are the plagues, not LGBTQ people. Oh and if telling the truth of what fundie homohaters are up to is biased, then so be it.

     

    Posted by Ioan Lightoller on 10/26/2009 @ 02:34AM PT

  64. Jenifer Lewis

    As Miss Manners once wrote:

    "Indeed, Miss Manners has come to believe that the basic political division in this country is not between liberals and conservatives but between those who believe that they should have a say in the love lives of strangers and those who do not."

    Too bad those who believe they do also feel obligated to export their hatred to countries where they feel more welcome.  Appalling.

    Posted by Jenifer Lewis on 10/26/2009 @ 06:58AM PT

  65. Martin Martinez

    According to what I read about Matthew Shepard he was as kind a person as you could hope to meet and then to be killed by hateful people like that is appalling.

    Posted by Martin Martinez on 10/26/2009 @ 09:37AM PT

  66. Jeffrey  Huyett

    What I find so interesting, is the terminology fundamentalist Christians use--"fighting homosexuality" and "cultural wars." These are terms of aggression and violence. It is clear that queer people all over the world suffer this. It is time we queer folk rise up to this hateful tone and language. We live in a free country and it is time that we tolerate this no more. The Christian colonalism of Africa continues to be despicable. It is heinous to take this fearful, hateful message in the name of Jesus' love to the Motherland.

    Posted by Jeffrey Huyett on 10/26/2009 @ 03:57PM PT

  67. Robby Desmond

    A note on language, you might consider using the word "extremist" to identify these kinds of groups. "Fundamentalist" and "evangelical" are *not* the same as "extremist". Talk to some of the evangelical Christians who work with the Interfaith Youth Core (www.ifyc.org) to promote social justice, and you'll get a better idea of the wide variety of types that tend to get lumped under the umbrella of "evangelical" along with the extremists.

    Posted by Robby Desmond on 10/28/2009 @ 09:13AM PT

  68. Dave Hershey

    Sorry Robby, these people are NOT just extremists, they ARE a terrorists network.

    Posted by Dave Hershey on 10/29/2009 @ 09:51AM PT

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  69. Thomas McHugh

    Mr. desmond...

    I call them as I see them...

    Bible thumpers.

    Posted by Thomas McHugh on 11/01/2009 @ 08:08PM PT

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  71. Stephen  Yost

    Anyone who believes the Bible is the inerrant word of God is against Gays. In the U.S.A. it matters not what the Bible says. We have laws that say "Christians" have no right to force their belief or any biblical laws from it on anyone. The religious "REICH" needs to shut up and clean it's own closets !

    Posted by Stephen Yost on 10/28/2009 @ 11:27AM PT

  72. Thomas McHugh

    I agree mr. yost.

    Posted by Thomas McHugh on 10/28/2009 @ 12:22PM PT

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  73. Jenifer Lewis

    As a Christian, I couldn't agree with you more.  Extremist Christians should appreciate the "separation of church and state" protects them as much as it does people of other faiths or none.

    Besides, they have a way of interpreting scripture in ways that justify their own bigotries.  For example, the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah is failure to provide what was essential in those days and in that culture: hospitality.  Jesus underscored this when he compared those refusing hospitality to his disciples to S&G.

    But, as you said, it makes no never mind.  Our country is a nation of laws, and broadening civil rights has only strengthened us by enfranchising more citizens. 

    The only ones who object are those who wish to see themselves as privileged.  Apparently they don't understand the first thing about the Constitution.  Ignorance is a terrible thing.

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  75. Stephen  Yost

    Thank you Thomas & Jenifer. Yes, it is surprising how little these church going "christians" actually know about the book they supposedly believe should direct and guide the whole world. I guess if they had been abused all through school and condemned by their friends, family & church, maybe they would have cared enough to search for the truth, as we have. Funny isn't it, that Jesus said search for the truth, and yet we, the condemned, are the only ones who seem to be actually looking for it. It's not a problem for the hetrosexuals, so they really don't care what the truth is, just as long as it doesn't upset their fragile world and put a wrench in their cog. The audicity that the last governing party in this country thought they should be able to dictate our morals and values (when they themselves obviously had none) is proof to just how radicles can get a foot-hold and overtake even a country built on religious freedom and equality, such as our own. I live near Greenville, SC and near here there was a boy who was Gay, he left an establishment in the city of Greenville (which by the way claims to be SO christian) and was attacked and killed for being Gay. It was a hate crime, plain and simple. Well it's been three years now since his death, and his MURDERER is already free and walking the streets. The boy who was killed was Sean Kennedy. I met his Mother in Church, her life and the lives of Sean's family and friends will never be the same. They have not even had a chance to finish grieving and his murderer is on the street, they could walk past him on their way to the grocery store, can you imagine ? Recently she was invited to the White House in Washington, DC . I believe Matthew Shepherd's Mother was also there, Matthew (for those of you who don't know) was the boy who was tortured and murdered in Laramie, Wyoming. Left hanging on a barbered wire fence to die, only to be found by a child later on. There has since been a TV movie (or documentary) about it. As to date, as far as I know, there are no laws against hate crimes against homosexuals in the state of South Carolina. So when you're looking for a place to start your businesses and spend your money,(Myrtle Beach for instance) be sure not to do it in this state, because they do not believe that our lives are worth anything. Spread the word as well, Gay people contribute a lot to our economy, so why should they contribute to a state and a people who value us so little and who hold protests on the street corners here that we are going to burn in hell for our horriable sinful state of being. They would like us to shut up and pretend we are not here. Well we've seen what that has acomplished over the years, for the blacks as well. Only when we stand up, stand out and be counted for who we are, will it make a difference. If they only knew how many of their Fathers, Brothers, Sisters, Doctors, Lawyers, Judges, Presidents, and first and foremost PASTORS are as Gay as any of us. I long for the day when they realize just who they have been condemning. I want to live to see the look on their faces when they are enlightened to the fact that their husbands and boyfriends have been sneaking around on the side with their fishing and hunting buddies having so much homosexual sex it would spin their closed minded heads in circles. Yes, when they meet their maker, whoever or whatever it is, I think they're in for a BIG surprise.  As Dennis Miller used to say at the end of his show "That's just my opinion, I could be wrong".

    Posted by Stephen Yost on 11/01/2009 @ 07:16AM PT

  76. Thomas McHugh

    Well...Im glad to say that the mathew shepherd bill got passed which means that the G.L.B.T. community has the protection from harm based on hate that theyve needed for a loooooooong time.

    Posted by Thomas McHugh on 11/01/2009 @ 08:16PM PT

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  78. Ioan Lightoller

    Great points, Stephen. I always find it interesting that some heterosexuals cannot understand GLBTQ disgust and anger. Gee, maybe it is because the dominant culture tends to treat us like shit or ignore us completely. They really are clueless.

    I always said that if people knew who was gay in history (especially Church history), they would be shocked. We are everywhere the straights are. I too look forward to the day when it becomes clear just who they have looked down on an persecuted all these centuries. Families, clergy, lawyers, military personnel, medical professionals. And yes, it is always fun to see these people find out how much homosexual sex is out there, even (and maybe even especially) amongst supposedly straight-as-string men. It's such a laugh.

    I no longer care who gets pissed if they see me holding hands with my spouse or if we are looking at a few things for our vow renewal and I kiss her cheek and hug her. Fuck these people! I am no longer willing to be in the closet to keep their little homophobic comfort zone intact. Compared to the disgusting PDAs I am subjected to from straights on a regular basis, handholding, a brief hug or a kiss on the cheek is pretty tame! They're always carrying on about "the children" and how we can't control ourselves. When I see a straight couple just about having sex in an aisle at Wal-Mart, I just laugh at the hypocrisy of it all.

    It has consistently been the homophobic fundamentalists who have persecuted, beaten and killed us. And yet, now that there is a national hate law, they have the unmitigated GALL to say that the "noose is around Christian's necks". If they think that they should be able to persecute, beat, fire, evict, and kill GLBTQ people with impunity, then yes, the noose is around their necks. They WILL be called to account for these vile acts against their fellow human beings. There is no law against believing the 2000BC nonsense that is monotheistic religion, but damn straight there is now a law against putting the more hateful of their beliefs into action.

    You are correct, Stephen, believers in the Bible (or any other "holy book" for that matter) do not have the right to shove their bigoted rights down anyone's throats. And how rich it is that whilst they are condemning us, their own private sins are, sooner or later, revealed. John Paulk is a lovely example-such a Christian, married, "family man" and then, when away from home, at a "pro-family" (read: virulently anti-gay) conference, he gets caught out at a gay bar by gay activists. So what does he do? Tell people he was just in the bar to use the men's room--supposedly he had no idea it was a gay bar--BS HE DIDN'T. Fortunately it backfired on him. Of course, he is still with his supposedly ex-lesbian wife, now in the Pacific Northwest, probably still sneaking out to gay venues.

    And then there are those "ex-gays" who obsess on every little thing about gay men (think Peter Labarbera and AFTAH), usually the most graphic, down-and-dirty crap they can dream up. Many are like this and all I would like to know is: I don't obsess on straight sex because I am a lesbian. Why are YOU (who are supposedly heterosexual now, obsessing on what gay men do sexually? Methinks these lads do protest too much.

     Jennifer, you are so right that they can "prove" a basis for their bigotry in the Bible, but then that book has been used to support almost anything and everything--slavery, oppression of women, hatred of neighbouring countries...I think that Jesus made his opinion abundantly clear that it was INHOSPITALITY rather than man-on-man sex was the reason Sodom and Gomorrah were wiped off the face of the earth. (BTW does anyone else think it was sick that Lot offered his virgin daughter to be gang-raped?).

    I hope I live long enough to see these hypocrites get their comeuppance. One thing I know is that LGBTQ people are on the way up and nothing and no one should be allowed to impede our progress.

    SO, fundie hypocritical bigots, believe what you want about us--hell, you're even free to say what you believe,  but get in our way or try to do what you have been doing to us all along and there WILL be legal consequences. Deal with it.

    Posted by Ioan Lightoller on 11/01/2009 @ 08:29AM PT

  79. Thomas McHugh

    Well said my friend and yes...

    Lot was one perverted S.O.B. not only for offering his daughters up for sex with strangers but also for fathering kids on them later...

    A "good" biblical example of an old timey pimp trafficking in child sex/slavery.

    Posted by Thomas McHugh on 11/01/2009 @ 08:24PM PT

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  81. Stephen  Yost

    THANKSGIVING ! I AM SO THANKFUL FOR THIS NEWS ARTICLE THAT I JUST READ...

    South Carolina Pride Movement Bulletin Posted by Ryan C. Wilson

    Greetings Friends of SC Pride Movement,

    Today we celebrate a momentous moment in our nation's history and in the movement toward LGBT equality. Today we are PROUD to celebrate that President Obama signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act into law — the first federal law in our nation’s history that specifically protects the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community!

    After over 10 years of fighting for this critical protection, we finally have a hate crime law that includes sexual orientation and gender identity. These crimes will now be Federal offenses and Federal resources can be used in investigating and punishing crimes committed against our community. Here in South Carolina where we have no Hate Crime laws on the state level, this law gives us much needed protections!

    This victory couldn't have been possible without the efforts of people like you who called Washington year after year, demanding that this bill be passed. The members of the SC Pride Movement should take PRIDE in today's victory! [And don't forget to renew your membership on-line at www.scpride.org before next month's membership meeting.]

    Personally, I'm proud of our Board members who fought alongside other LGBT organizations in the state of South Carolina and worked particularly closely with Elke Kennedy and the dedicated folks at Sean's Last Wish to lobby our legislators to vote for this bill. While some of our elected Representatives voted in favor of this bill, we also know that shamefully many of them did not.

    We challenge those officials who represent South Carolina's citizens to remember that they should support ALL their citizens, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, ability/disability, class, or creed. Homophobia by those officials who represent us will not be tolerated, just as now crimes motivated by homophobia will no longer be tolerated.

    Sean Kennedy's tragic death in 2007 at the hands of someone who called him a fag can not be undone, but perhaps now that the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act is the law of the land, future crimes may be prevented knowing that the government and law enforcement will not tolerate hate based crimes.

    It is also worth noting that with the inclusion of Gender Identity in this bill, it becomes the 1st ever Pro-Transgender law passed on the Federal level. SC Pride Movement is proud to have fought as part of the original United ENDA coalition and will continue to fight for Trans-inclusive laws. We celebrate today's victory with our Trans, brothers & sisters.

    Today, I personally am PROUD to be an American, and I hope those of you who read this message will also take pride in our country, knowing that the tides of oppressions are turning and slowly the winds of justice and equality are moving in our direction.

    The time is now to pass an inclusive Employment Non-Discrimination Act, repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and the so-called Defense of Marriage Act, and ensure that health care, economic policy and immigration reform incorporate the needs of LGBT people. Our movement has more work to do!


    Ryan C. Wilson
    President, SC Pride Movement
    Harriet Hancock Community Center
    1108 Woodrow Street
    Columbia, SC 29205
    www.scpride.org
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    Posted by Stephen Yost on 11/01/2009 @ 10:01AM PT

  82. Thomas McHugh

    Thats awsome indeed mr. yost...

    Thank you for sharing that with us.

    Blessed be to ya.

    Posted by Thomas McHugh on 11/01/2009 @ 08:31PM PT

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  84. Becca Wilson

    There is a movement afoot to pressure Rick Warren to denounce the anti-gay bill now in the Ugandan legislature... check this out at http://www.publiceye.org/index.php

    U.S. Rightwing Evangelicals Stoke Antigay Hatred in Africa

    Political Research Associates is calling on Pastor Rick Warren to oppose an antigay bill currently being debated in the Ugandan legislature promoted by his allies. In March 2008, Warren told Ugandans that homosexuality is not a natural way of life and thus not a human right. Now the country is debating a bill that would lead to life imprisonment for gay sex, and death for those having same sex relations if they are HIV positive or having sex with someone under 18, plus criminalize any human rights organizing for LGBT rights.

    Sign our petition calling on Rick Warren to denounce this bill and challenge his friends like Archbishop Henry Orombi and Pastor Martin Sempa who are leading the charge. Sign here!

    Watch for PRA's year-long investigation of U.S. right-wing evangelicals’ outreach in Africa, to be released this month!

    UPDATE: In an October 31 statement, Rick Warren distanced himself from one Ugandan antigay activist but that is not good enough. We need him to denounce the bill itself, and challenge his friend Archbishop Henry Orombi's support of it.

    Posted by Becca Wilson on 11/03/2009 @ 07:15PM PT

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Michael is the Communications Director for the Human Rights Program at Harvard Law School, and previously was Communications Director for Pax Christi USA, a progressive Catholic human rights organization.

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